Read these two comments by Eric-here for background on the discussion
Eric’s 1st comment Eric’s 2nd comment
Then read the announcement of joborun-linux from March 21st 24 here and here
Basically make dependency to dependency to make dependency gnupg a core dependency of most linux systems depends on basu, or elogind, or lib-systemd. So a systemd signature goes deep into no-systemd territory. Alternatives?
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NO!
NO, what? To which question, both?
Then what is the problem with systemd or replacing it with another system?
The quick answer is NO, but in reality one must be able to match the resources of IBM/x-RH to chase behind this dog when this dog does its best to try to shake all tailgaters away from it. “It” wants to run throughout the system, from bios/efi/boot-loading to every click you make on the desktop with your mouse or finger touch to the touch-screen. PRECISELY what google has done on android, for which we have no say it is a private non-open non-free system. Monkey see, monkey do, monkey governments enforce its use, monkeys conform. Fuck you google and fuck the state that mandates its use (I wonder if North Korean sites have google apis in them, RT do!).
HOW does this work? Continue reading
Recent excitement revolves around talk about eudev deficiencies as a replacement for systemd’s udev. Consolekit2 having too many functionalities missing against elogind that it will eventually run out of steam. In particular this package named libgudev requires now particular version specific udev utilities to compile and eudev has not reached this stage of development. Developer/s said when time comes available it will receive some refreshing and incorporation of this utility. But what is the rush? For packages that are used to auto-discover and mount disks (particularly usb hot-plugs) and for them to be the latest of edition need this updated libgudev that eudev can’t support.
Should a community critical against systemd domination mind such dis-functionality? Hopefully nobody here believes it should. Didn’t we expect this to be a struggle or did we expect it to come easy? Are there people here who think they can have the choice of not using systemd/elogind and libraries but have 100% functional Gnome or Plasma desktops and tools (gui-gadgets)? Being against systemd is being critical of the sacrifices a system/distro should make in order to incorporate growing automation and convenience. Isn’t it? Continue reading
Welcome antiX and Noir linux to the strict list, with edition 23 antiX is fully functional and lighter than ever without a trace of elogind!
Edited: September 24th 2023 (replacing older strict list)
This list is going to be short and there may be a sublist of distros with a medium strict standard. We shall explain what the object is, below the short list (which we hope the community will assist in making longer as we have not been able to currently review the work of every distro and fork).
Fall 2023 list of “healthy” hardcore distros in alphabetical order with date/activity indicator (xxx)
recently removed:
Please keep the recommendations going, for inclusion and exclusion from the list. We can not keep and maintain installations for all of them, we count on you.
Hardcore because they seem honest and dedicated to the war against totalitarianism by IBM and other mega corporations to dominate the Open and Free software world.
Short article/ Introduction to new development
turnstile replaces elogind consolekit works side by side with seatd
When elogind will either begin to fail or just not work too well without systemd, I’d like to see what those distros will do and who will they blame for their demise, or conversion to full systemd which will make them just like anything else. Will Artix be any different than Manjaro? Will MX be any different than mint or ubuntu? Will void be anything different from Arch and will they abandon musl? Will Adelie’s LXQT work without elogind or will they then decide to give LXDE a try?
With a project as promising as turnstile the real choice against systemd may be coming really soon.
If systemd is really developing, why is elogind progressively having more and more bugs?
No this is not about “I told you so”, this is about “I am telling you now … so”.
Quote from a favorite movie “Get Busy Living or Get Busy Dying”
… and so are all the projects we support and exhibit.
WordPress continues to make our life miserable, with all their new guis a web-client-google-apis. As if they are no longer capable of developing their own code for a web-client interface they must add google functionality, which in turn is not supported by all safety and privacy minded browsers, only those produced by google and mozilla corporations, making it hard to protect yourselves against the corporate bandits and have adequate functionality to publish.
Thanks to the great work by Eric Koegel and Antoine Jacoutot we were not wrong again!
Parrots never think of what it is they say, they hear things (generally things are heard through highly paid and supported media that serve corporate and state interests) and reproduce the sound of them. Not that they are dumb, but they can’t process rational language based communication.
QUESTION: Why are you dumping consolekit2 and use elogind, that you know is just a significant piece of systemd, which further makes upstream reliance to systemd more acceptable and wide spread?
EXCUSE: Consolekit is deprecated, it is unmaintained, it will never work with Wayland, and we must support wayland because that is the future.
QUESTION: Could consolekit2 be able to work with wayland?
EXCUSE: No, it never will!
QUESTION: Elogind, being a piece of the most convoluted piece of opensource software ever encountered is very big. Shouldn’t this be a performance concern?
EXCUSE: No, because consolekit was also huge!
ANSWER: Consolekit2 1.2.2 was released Dec.20 2020 and among its changes is a memory leak fix, NetBSD/OpenBSD fixes/compliance and more. If you notice in the list of issues and discussion there has been a workaround to get ck2 to work with wayland in Gentoo since 2018.
Consolekit2 is between a 1/5 to 1/6 of the size of elogind!
Run, don’t just add it on the TDO list, and download images from those two (Salix is dormant and part of Slackel) and if you do an installation, DO NOT do a network install, do copy from live image, or from CD. We will explain later, while you are downloading those historic pieces of Slackware forks.
Cut them some slack? New Years day and all happy hunky dory crap…. Not here folks, go to Phoronix or Fedora-Magazine for such festive atmosphere. Continue reading
Slackel has been designed so that:
Many reviews of linux distros you may read tell you what you need to have (systemd – elogind – consolekit, – dbus : SECD from now on) to use the distro. It is rarely seen or heard whether you can have an effective graphical interface, a desktop, a window manager, and not use any of the above. Sometimes for a rarely used or never used utility you need one of those monsters, but hardly ever anyone goes out of his way to tell you “this is the ONLY instance you need this, otherwise you can do without”. So the question on this topic should be obvious, “what can I do and have installed, or even if it is installed have it running, without the use of the SECD?”. The less obvious question to the one questioning is “why?”. Does anyone still ask why anymore, or have we (linux users) generally turned to fashion monkeys? Continue reading
systemd-free linux community 