Slackel and Zenwalk (2021), report by Oneirosopher

A Short MEMO on Slackies to serve for all purposes…

Slackel has been designed so that:

  • it comes for 64-bit and 32-bit CPUs as well;
  • be %100 compatible with Slackware (Current) –beware: as such, it comes with elogind;
  • it may be capable of using Salix’s source packages;
  • it provides an OpenBox flavour (OB is not in the Slackware repos);
  • the KDE-desktop is KDE 4;- MATE is more recent: 1.22;
  • it comes with house-built Slackel tools: slapt-get & slapt-src to CLI-manage packages, Gslapt as a GUI frontend for the both of them;
  • it provides, quote: “a ‘rolling release’ for lazy slackers” (Dimitris’ words);
  • its ISOs both enable to install the system and to run (fast) live-sessions;
  • it enables to create a liveUSB with persistance features directly from within a live-session;
  • since last version, it be possible to perform a real installation on a USB media, which differs from liveUSB with persistance (it doesn’t get slow when more packages are installed).

Other features include:

  • In the last OpenBox version (released on 2021.01.01), Salix’s repos are commented (i.e. unchecked) by default;
  • Any question asked on Slackel’s forum gets an answer from Dimitris very soon.

Last release announcement:  www.slackel.gr/forum/ topic 655

 

Zenwalk is less versatile. Its iso comes:

  • only for 64-bit CPUs;
  • with (a very nice) Xfce-desktop, v. 4.15, a preview of Xfce 4.16!;
  • pipewire complete replacement of pulseaudio;
  • as an installation media only –hence you cannot live-session to check that all will work out of the box (but chances are high that all will work, including wireless connectivity);
  • with an almost vanilla Slackware installer, rather well documented –one needs just type:
"setup --help";
  • its own in-house package manager called netpkg that works great, with many options well documented.

 

Due to the recent shift of Slackware’s policy that replaced consolekit2 with elogind in Slackware Current, some might get interested in *Salix*, which is based on Slackware Stable –no elogind. (Thanks to Dimitris who brought this to my attention). Salix has its own repositories. (I have not checked if they include sources only or pre-compiled binaries as well!)

 

Things yet to check:

Since both Slackel and Zenwalk are intended to be %100 compatible with the same Slackware Current, IN THEORY, it should be possible to add Slackel’s repos to Zenwalk and vice-versa. Slackel and Zenwalk use different package-managers but I guess their respective packages (including in-house applications) can be handled by both slapt-get/slapt-src and netpkg.

IN PRACTICE: BEWARE, I have not checked, things could BREAK!

How does the nologind package behave (works/doesn’t?) in Slackel, remains to be seen.

If my hypothesis the the pkg may work in Slackel, how does nologind package behave (works/doesn’t?) in Zenwalk, also remains to be seen.

 

15 thoughts on “Slackel and Zenwalk (2021), report by Oneirosopher

  1. Hey, thanks buddy!

    Only, see in my attached screenshot how it displays in my browser. Or is it normal and I am free to edit it? (Never done that before!)

    On Fri, Jan 1, 2021 at 7:39 PM systemd-free linux community wrote:

    > sysdfree-editor posted: ” A Short MEMO on Slackies to serve for all > purposes… Slackel has been designed so that: – it comes for 64-bit and > 32-bit CPUs as well; – be %100 compatible with Slackware (Current) > –beware: as such, it comes with elogind;- it may be c” >

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  2. I am not 100% clear on the slackware and slackies’ repositories, but I don’t think Slackel and Salix have an independent repository that can support a full installation, and I believe Salix is dormant since a year ago. The two seem to be partly the same people colaborating in various levels with each one having a different head for the project.

    There are two things that puzzle me, or maybe it is the same. From reading between lines in Slackel’s forum either they weren’t prepared for the change or thought they were prepared and the ck2 –> elogind shift threw them off. Now it could be that they were not too involved in the internal work of Slackware, and didn’t know what was coming, or nobody knew and Slackware kept it secret till someone made a mistake and upgraded after Dec.7th 2020.

    I think shutting the door to slackware’s repositories and only allowing salix, slackel, and zenwalk, will not develop into a coherent system. None of those parties have demonstrated an opposition to the change, they have accepted it – as the bosses’ wishes / his master’s voice – and are moving on. Individually some may have expressed anger and disapproval, but that is all. Like low level personnel “naturally” criticizing management and their choices, but continue to report to work and do as they are told.

    Let’s be realistic, it takes some resources to reconstruct and maintain software to the extent of debian, arch, slackware, void, gentoo. Not only money, it takes time. And sometime time is for sale, most of the time unfortunately. IBM knows it. Elogind dependencies is the “alternative” penetration to this 100 distros that run without systemd.

    Oasis which I am currently inspecting, seems like a micro-system, and meets the criteria for the list https://sysdfree.wordpress.com/333 and that will make it a list of 5 distributions among the 100 some without systemd as init.

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  3. The nologind pkg will not work with elogind. The reasons for it, I believe, are its purpose was to provide an elogind library where the applicable instructions transferred to correct ck2 instructions, the non-applicable ones just failed, but kept software thinking there is a logind.

    All this crap, ck2 included, require dbus, and recently dbus in various levels, root, user, other. Between dbus, logind, and polkit screening, all integral parts of systemd-omination, provided a “more secure system”. Secure only if you trust the NSA’s closest partner, a mega corporation controlling information around the known universe.

    Most neanderthals think their system should be secure from those below the mega-corporate-industrial-state complex, but their own security is one and the same with states and financial institutions. If you think of security as those below being protected from that complex then the rules of the game are totally different.

    Is there a point of arguing and fighting with neanderthals carrying clubs, defending their masters?
    All you can do is try to organize the mutations of developed and more intelligent beings in trying to escape the domination of the barbaric original species. Have faith in youth and evolution, there will be more coming our way as their world is decaying (pretty stinky already). Our world is coming to surface. Viva Emiliano Zapata!

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  4. Why do you Hate Neanderthals?
    Is it because you also Hate Disabled People ™? 😛

    Seriously now, it’s insulting the Neanderthals to compare them with whom you compare them.
    The Neanderthals have been overflowed by Sapians. It doesn’t mean they were inferior or stupid. Besides, human DNA studies show that we inherit them in a small percentage of our “code” (between %2 and %5).
    Since they were flooded with Sapians’ oppressive number, “inovations” and violence, I think your map becomes acurate if WE are the Neanderthals in this map.

    We are the Neanderthals of Obarunistan and other Sysdifreestan! 😉

    And we won’t disappear! 🙂 Code will remain!

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  5. You Europeans and your infatuation with history and archaelogy. In the new world if a building is more than a century old it is historic. Things can be as old as CocaCola, no older. 🙂

    What do I know. Dumb humans, long after they had consumed neaderthals, made the stupidest move of all species and begun agriculture. Our nutrition, our health, and our thinking abilities have continued to deteriorate ever since.

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  6. Quote: Dumb humans, long after they had consumed neaderthals, made the stupidest move of all species and begun agriculture. Our nutrition, our health, and our thinking abilities have continued to deteriorate ever since.
    THIS I quite agree! And I AM infatuate with History and Archaelogy indeed. 🙂
    But less infatuated in Arch-aelogy as you are, you pre-historical Arch server user. 😛

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  7. ADDENDA to my short MEMO:

    I have not enquired yet if Zenwalk’s package-manager netpkg is installable on Slackel. (I lach bare metal to do so…) 😉

    But just as I suspected, grounding on logical speculation, I have been able to check the vice-versa. Last night, I have added some Slackel’s sources to my Zenwalk installation (on real hardware), and been able to download stuff from Slackel’s repos. It hasn’t broken anything yet. Nonetheless, I would not advise anyone to do the same (unless with a hackie adventurous spirit) before further report.

    It may be of some interest to check the vice-versa of my vice-versa (meaning, add Zenwalk’s sources to Slackel) since I found in Zenwalk’s netpkg a very capable package-manager, which defaults with many options and is designed to be very informative and interactive.

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  8. (My! Is THIS still me? Am I becoming that sort of a tricky twisted hackster? Have I read too much of this jinxed website to keep mentally stable?)
    😉
    O Thou, Steves, Jobs and Ballmer, help me!

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  9. While you’re at it, consider Porteus and the USM (Universal Slackware Package Manager).

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  10. @Somewhat Reticent
    Hi! Thanks for your comment. 🙂
    I have long time followed with much interest Porteus… from afar. Since it’s based on Slackware, their endeavour is to provide some “nomadic” OS for people to install and always keep with them in order to use temporary host computers. (Slackel also seems more and more focused to enabling this feature by the way.) But I have never installed Porteus on any of my machines. Although there are lots of reviewers out there who cover distros they have only observed in a VM experience, I don’t feel like talking about systems I have not installed on bare metal.
    But thanks again for having mentioned Porteus, which is a “kiosk” oriented distro, grand-son to Slackware indeed.
    If you have some experience with it, feel free to share! 🙂

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  11. EDIT: what I meant was:
    It [Porteus] was forked from Salix and their endavour is to provide some nomadic OS etc

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  12. I won’t talk about them, but I can quote them:

    http://www.porteus.org/component/content/article/8-informations/114-official-porteus-installation-guide-v-10.html

    [Quote:
    Porteus is a linux distribution that runs live, without being ‘installed’ natively like most other operating systems. Porteus creates its file system on the fly, within seconds, every time it is started up. This allows it to be run from many different kinds of media, including:
    1) Writeable CD’s or DVD’s
    2) USB Flash Drives (aka Pendrives)
    3) External or Internal Hard Drives
    4) Other writeable media, including flash cards, mp3 players, etc. (these installations are not covered by this Guide).

    Porteus comes in the form of an ISO image file. An ISO file is an ‘image’ of what should be on a CD/DVD. This file can be burned as a CD or DVD, or it can be mounted as a file system or upacked to gain access to the files for flash drive or hard drive installations. Burning the file to a CD is the easiest method of installation, but none of the changes you make (or files that you download) will be saved once the system is rebooted*. Installing Porteus to a flash drive or hard drive will allow you boot up more quickly, save changes to your flashdrive and add new files and programs easily.
    :endquote]

    And, my bad, they do have a kiosk version but they also have released a desktop-edition (in 2018):

    https://forum.porteus.org/viewtopic.php?f=35&t=7742

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