2021 hardcore list of linux distributions without elogind and other systemd parts

        Edited: April 26th 2021 (replacing older strict list)

This list is going to be short and there may be a sublist of distros with a medium strict standard.  We shall explain what the object is, below the short list (which we hope the community will assist in making longer as we have not been able to currently review the work of every distro and fork.

2021 list of “healthy” hardcore distros in alphabetical order

  1.    Obarun Linux –> obarun.org (the most extensive distribution that meets the criteria)
  2.    Kiss Linux –> k1ss.org (temporarily unmaintained but communities active)
  3.    Kwort Linux –> kwort.org
  4.    Sabotage Linux  –> sabotage-linux
  5.    Oasis linux –> oasislinux/oasis
  6.    Zandra linux –> zandra.org
  7.    Mutiny linux –> mutiny.red
  8.    Glaucus linux –> glaucuslinux.org
  9.    Mere Linux —> merelinux.org  (alpha project – active again)

Please keep the recommendations going, for inclusion and exclusion from the list.  We can not keep and maintain installations for all of them, we count on you.

Hardcore because they seem honest and dedicated to the war against totalitarianism by IBM and other mega corporations to dominate the Open and Free software world.

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Myth busted: Can you run sway/wayland’s i3 without systemd or elogind?

For those who want to skip the discussion and get right to it follow the steps at this README

For a while, we have heard this justification, among distributions that have refused systemd as init, that elogind was adopted as a necessity for running wayland which is the future of graphical desktops.  Some future this is, but anyway.  For Artix it was a day one decision, for Void and Adelie it has been a year or more, for Slackware a few months.  But it is only a handful of distros at this point that have totally refused the use of elogind and stick to consolekit2 (which was recently upgraded upstream unlike common myth that has it abandoned).  Consolekit2 can handle logind functionality but can’t provide seat management.  So there is seatd, a daemon that just does this.  So count the different functions, unrelated to each other, that systemd provides all in one huge blob. Continue reading

Popular mythology spread by IBM parrots elogind vs consolekit2 1.2.2

Thanks to the great work by Eric Koegel and Antoine Jacoutot we were not wrong again!

Parrots never think of what it is they say, they hear things (generally things are heard through highly paid and supported media that serve corporate and state interests) and reproduce the sound of them.  Not that they are dumb, but they can’t process rational language based communication. 

QUESTION: Why are you dumping consolekit2 and use elogind, that you know is just a significant piece of systemd, which further makes upstream reliance to systemd more acceptable and wide spread?

EXCUSE:  Consolekit is deprecated, it is unmaintained, it will never work with Wayland, and we must support wayland because that is the future.

QUESTION: Could consolekit2 be able to work with wayland?

EXCUSE: No, it never will!

QUESTION: Elogind, being a piece of the most convoluted piece of opensource software ever encountered is very big.  Shouldn’t this be a performance concern?

EXCUSE: No, because consolekit was also huge!


ANSWER:  Consolekit2 1.2.2 was released Dec.20 2020 and among its changes is a memory leak fix, NetBSD/OpenBSD fixes/compliance and more.  If you notice in the list of issues and discussion there has been a workaround to get ck2 to work with wayland in Gentoo since 2018. 

Consolekit2 is between a 1/5 to 1/6 of the size of elogind!


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Zenwalk Slackel Salix – Slackware without systemd?

Run, don’t just add it on the TDO list, and download images from those two (Salix is dormant and part of Slackel) and if you do an installation, DO NOT do a network install, do copy from live image, or from CD.  We will explain later, while you are downloading those historic pieces of Slackware forks.

Cut them some slack?  New Years day and all happy hunky dory crap….  Not here folks, go to Phoronix or Fedora-Magazine for such festive atmosphere. Continue reading

Slackel and Zenwalk (2021), report by Oneirosopher

A Short MEMO on Slackies to serve for all purposes…

Slackel has been designed so that:

  • it comes for 64-bit and 32-bit CPUs as well;
  • be %100 compatible with Slackware (Current) –beware: as such, it comes with elogind;
  • it may be capable of using Salix’s source packages;
  • it provides an OpenBox flavour (OB is not in the Slackware repos);
  • the KDE-desktop is KDE 4;- MATE is more recent: 1.22;
  • it comes with house-built Slackel tools: slapt-get & slapt-src to CLI-manage packages, Gslapt as a GUI frontend for the both of them;
  • it provides, quote: “a ‘rolling release’ for lazy slackers” (Dimitris’ words);
  • its ISOs both enable to install the system and to run (fast) live-sessions;
  • it enables to create a liveUSB with persistance features directly from within a live-session;
  • since last version, it be possible to perform a real installation on a USB media, which differs from liveUSB with persistance (it doesn’t get slow when more packages are installed).

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No systemd, no elogind, no consolekit, no dbus – what did I miss?

Many reviews of linux distros you may read tell you what you need  to have (systemd – elogind – consolekit, – dbus : SECD from now on) to use the distro.  It is rarely seen or heard whether you can have an effective graphical interface, a desktop, a window manager, and not use any of the above.  Sometimes for a rarely used or never used utility you need one of those monsters, but hardly ever anyone goes out of his way to tell you “this is the ONLY instance you need this, otherwise you can do without”.  So the question on this topic should be obvious, “what can I do and have installed, or even if it is installed have it running, without the use of the SECD?”.  The less obvious question to the one questioning is “why?”.  Does anyone still ask why anymore, or have we (linux users) generally turned to fashion monkeys? Continue reading