Popular mythology spread by IBM parrots elogind vs consolekit2 1.2.2

Thanks to the great work by Eric Koegel and Antoine Jacoutot we were not wrong again!

Parrots never think of what it is they say, they hear things (generally things are heard through highly paid and supported media that serve corporate and state interests) and reproduce the sound of them.  Not that they are dumb, but they can’t process rational language based communication. 

QUESTION: Why are you dumping consolekit2 and use elogind, that you know is just a significant piece of systemd, which further makes upstream reliance to systemd more acceptable and wide spread?

EXCUSE:  Consolekit is deprecated, it is unmaintained, it will never work with Wayland, and we must support wayland because that is the future.

QUESTION: Could consolekit2 be able to work with wayland?

EXCUSE: No, it never will!

QUESTION: Elogind, being a piece of the most convoluted piece of opensource software ever encountered is very big.  Shouldn’t this be a performance concern?

EXCUSE: No, because consolekit was also huge!

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ANSWER:  Consolekit2 1.2.2 was released Dec.20 2020 and among its changes is a memory leak fix, NetBSD/OpenBSD fixes/compliance and more.  If you notice in the list of issues and discussion there has been a workaround to get ck2 to work with wayland in Gentoo since 2018. 

Consolekit2 is between a 1/5 to 1/6 of the size of elogind!

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Are you confused about debian/antiX/MX/devuan/Refracta editions?

Debian 10 Buster became stable a few months ago, the rest of the systems had to follow but took their time.  This is done every two years and creates a wave of confusion, especially those on forked versions of Debian, like antiX, MX, devuan, refracta, etc.  Even more dangerous and confusing it is if you are using testing and although testing during debian stretch was buster it now becomes bullseye, while your antiX/MX/Devuan is testing alongside Buster still.

After antiX announced 19 (Marielle Franco) as its current stable branch, MS followed its mothership the week later (a few days ago), while Devuan/Refracta are still chasing Stretch (Debian 9), what they call Devuan 2 or ascii.

So here it is, to take the confusion away from numbers and names:

Debian         *   Debian       *  AntiX/MX   *  Devuan
the last good1 *   7   Wheezy   *    13       *  0  beta-testing
old old stable *   8   Jessie   *    15       *  1 jessie (old-stable)
old stable     *   9   Stretch  *    17       *  2 ascii (stable)
stable         *  10   Buster   *    19       *  3 beowulf(testing)
testing        *  11   Bullseye *    21       *  4 chimaera (next testing)
unstable       *       sid      *    sid      *       ceres

Truth is More Important Than Harmony

by codeinfig (FigOSdev)

Today I did a very silly thing, because it was the right moment and the right audience…

No, it probably wasn’t! But I figured it was probably as close as it would get to one. Of course it will brand me further as a troublemaker, but that’s not entirely fair– I really wasn’t the one who started the trouble.

Devuan’s structure is clearly built on the bazaar– when they find something unofficial that can help Devuan more than hurt it, they just offer the opportunity to be official.

Should We Rank Systemd-free Distros By Their Success In That Very Thing?

Adapted from a post on the new forum: https://nosystemd.icyboards.net 
<by FigOSdev>

Ranking systemd-free distros by how much they have managed to remove systemd doesn’t seem like a crazy idea to me at all. I don’t believe anyone thinks that’s the only factor in choosing a distro, nor are they going to switch just because one ranks higher than another.

There are certainly other merits in a systemd-free distro.

In light of Devuan’s “reaction” I dedicate this video …

… to all moderators and administrators of public forums and distribution lists, and all their good work to “serve and protect” their boss.

https://dev1galaxy.org/viewtopic.php?id=1856

 

If you can not silence someone on the basis of their content, you drive them up the wall with irrational arguments so you can ban them based on their reaction to irrationality.  It is the oldest trick in the cop book!  Sorry, moderator book I meant.  Damn backspace is not working again!

On the question of Arch based, Debian based, and independent

Now that our single Debian person has distanced *self from Devuan (systemd free Debian) and the rest of us made a new Arch person, we must answer a question relating to the discontinuity of Devuan coverage.  What is so different in Arch world from the Debian world?  Why is this importance in tor/onion networking internal to Debian that is less relevant in Arch?  We have identified several attributes that we consider different.

Devuan, EOL – trust, suspicion, and unanswered questions

First things first.  Those of us involved in this project had an internal debate from day one whether to cover Devuan development or not.  All but one person here, yours truly, argued that Devuan would never be able to overcome and change the psychopathology evident in Debian developer community and the inherent elitism against the common individual user.  If you are not directing the departmental budget of an IT enterprise nobody in that community would give a rat’s penny of what your problem may be.  Seeking help as a common user you must put up with tons of unsubstantiated arrogance, irony, and elitism.  This is also evident in the DNG list where devuan developers and their pre-split backroom buddies are larking, pretending they are Devian without the infrastructure of Debian.  It is like a life-raft’s  officers and buddies pretending to be the officers operating a supertanker.

A closer look at a warrior, Obarun and S6

Back in August 2017, when this project had started and we were eager in expanding the spectrum of interest to this site to more distributions than Devuan and Artix, we reproduced a brief description of Obarun as it was self-reported in Distrowatch, I believe. The primary initial interest was to promote distributions that made a conscious decision to steer clear of systemd interdependency and utilized different methods, approaches, and init systems. Obarun features the S6 init system that is simple and quick. As far as we can tell Obarun may just as well be called a popular S6 as it is the only distribution we can find with this init system.  Cromnix uses it along with OpenRC but unless we are wrong, Cromnix seems as an individual experiment and the developer works within Artix.

Why, how, who, defines a distribution’s philosophy

Out of a discussion on one of the the two linux distributions we follow, there was an inquiry by a new user of what is the long term philosophy and goal of the distribution. One developer was quick to respond individually, not representing the team, that there is no such thing as a “common” philosophy.