Since dealing with non-systemd distributions, apart from Obarun and Antix, has become a bit disappointing lately, or boring, either or both, to take a change of environment I picked something NEW. It is called Mabox Linux and it is based on Manjaro, it uses Openbox and LightDM, as gui base, and displays many tricks in converting a minimal window manager (WM) into a full desktop of your own. Mabox is not just an alternative setup for a standard Manjaro system, it has its own repository, packages, and includes a harmonious wide variety of software and software environments (flatpak, snap,..). Its website is pretty nice and is available in English and Polish.
For all of those who like their custom made minimal desktops, i3, awasome, jwm, openbox, etc. or are pure console freaks, there is Arch and there is an established and verified way to change from Arch to Artix and have OpenRC and lately Runit as an init system. This makes a low resources fast booting machine faster and lighter yet. Artix is progressively rebuilding all Arch pkgs and growing their own repositories, while 2/3 of Arch pkgs can be used still straight out of Arch. But it is a blend of things with the Arch-Core repository left out.
For those that don’t like or know how to tinker too much with stuff, like conf and rc files, they prefer a precustomized desktop with all the possible bells and whistles predesigned by the distro designers. Ubuntu, Mint, and Manjaro are really such products appealing to such audience. But they all have the resource hog complex init system we love to hate. We have to admit that Manjaro’s desktop designs are state of the art, aesthetically. People get addicted to Manjaro and stick with it, even if they like further customizing things themselves.
But then there is a gray area of those who slowly are graduating from OEM ready out of the box setups to making the same installation lighter and faster. That is to improve on the core system where a desktop really floats on. So how do you go from a Manjaro full desktop installation to something faster and lighter? Obarun
I noticed on Distrowatch’s inquiry statistics that in the past 6mos and less, Manjaro has climbed gradually from #4 to #1. Mint, ubuntu, and debian are each one click down on the leading in popularity among distro hoppers. Not that it really matters what distrowatch “reports” or how easy it is to click a distro up, but it is generally accepted as a benchmark of what many people are looking for on a distro.
So what if, Manjaro can boot up with less than half of resources that is currently using, and can be liberated from the plague; systemd that is, or sysDsease as I like to call it? Continue reading
- Is the conversion from Arch the same as Arch-OpenRC? If you have an arch or arch based systemd system, can you convert to Artix as easily following the applicable procedure moves?
https://wiki.artixlinux.org/Main/Migration This is for migrating from systemd Arch or Manjaro.
The guide at https://systemd-free.artixlinux.org is for migrating from arch and manjaro -openrc
Did you just upgrade Manjaro and now your Artix will not boot, or vice-versa?
This is a peculiarity of grub in relation to Artix, and Manjaro, and I suspect all Arch based distros. When Artix or Manjaro make grub entries for all other installations found on the system (other than those from the same family) they use the universal entry template for generic linux distros. The entry they make for themselves is different and if it is not done this way they will throw the installation into “kernel panic” and this would be the last thing written on the screen before you pull the plug as no input will be recognized. It is all on the format of the commandline that grub uses to start up the kernel. [note: in the early days of Manjaro-OpenRC when I still had Manjaro-systemd still installed, they both made correct entries for each other.] Continue reading
From the systemd-free.artixlinux.org site:
2017-07-27 — Return of the Jedi
After the Great Init Purge, the Sythtemd Order installed their dark components in almost every system of the galaxy. All software was forced to depend on the greed, hatred and deception of sythtemd and the Knights of the Old Linux were either converted to the dark side or exiled to the outer rim distros. However, after the initial persecution, the most devoted and powerful Linux Knights re-grouped and… Continue reading
|Miscellaneous News (by Jesse Smith)|
|Manjaro’s OpenRC spin becomes its own distro, Fedora 24 approaching its EOL, Red Hat plans to drop Btrfs support, Debian discusses future of live desktop imagesA post on the Manjaro Linux forum indicates that the distribution will no longer feature community editions offering the OpenRC init software. Manjaro primarily uses systemd for its init implementation, but has also provided community spins which run OpenRC. These community editions are being discontinued and the OpenRC flavour is becoming a new distribution, called Artix Linux. “I am sad to inform you that Manjaro OpenRC will be discontinued, won’t receive updates any longer. You might think that is bad news, but it really isn’t, since OpenRC and non-systemd moved to its own distro called Artix Linux. More details to come, we are currently working on a home page, and transition instructions to convert your Manjaro into Artix.” Further discussion on this topic can be found in this forum thread.|
The downloads for artix have hit triple digits, meanwhile the Manjaro forum has grouped everything artix related into one long thread, while the criticism of Manjaro becoming a systemd-only system has been withdrawn from public view and restricted to Manjaro Forum members. What are they afraid, negative publicity? If the outlook is negative how do they expect positive publicity? Manjaro with sysvinit/OpenRC used less resources than the same exact setup with SystemD. This will no longer be true after September as the OpenRC Manjaro will break. Continue reading
The following appeared on Manjaro’s Distrowatch comments list and it is basically the summary of what was discussed in the distro’s forum, which based on an announcement in the technical part of the forum was shoved to the off-topic/irrelevant discussions, and those exercising the freedom to express “constructive criticism” for Manjaro were eventually banned from the forum. The disturbing reality is the social dynamic of internet forums where those that supposedly are advocates of freedom, choice, variety, against uniformity and dictatorial decision making from above, remain silent in the practice of banning pests. Continue reading
Refresher course via the OP on why we’re here.
Incipient * Diaspora
in an early stage of existence * a scattered population whose origin lies within a smaller geographic locale. As you have doubtless heard, Manjaro is getting out of the OpenRC business. Those of us who are here (to some degree) because they had been in it will have to hit the road eventually–per Phil’s post, the repos we run on will be shuttered, at some imprecise point in autumn. The approved migration plan is to a new distro called Artix. For some people this will doubtless be a good pat……
If someone who is a member of this Manjaro forum and wishes to share the rest of the article please do, as I was persecuted for criticising the direction that Manjaro opted for and was banned from the forum. At the time I posted this it was an open public topic as most of the forum is. The master owner of that forum except from banning me has also made all discussions that expressed Manjaro-SystemD criticism closed to members only.. Little that they know that there is no bad publicity, and criticism will find media to be expressed on despite of all efforts to silence it. On Distrowatch Manjaro is still portrayed as a system open to any init system, but have silently chosen to be a Systemd-Only system.
Grub is and has been problematic for Manjaro. Everytime an other system in the same machine upgrades kernels or grub itself, it generates a /boot/grub/grub.cfg that is incompatible with Manjaro. Then Manjaro will not boot unless you have saved a stub of it menuentry from its own grub.cfg and patch it in the other systems. Then you can start Manjaro do a # sudo grub-install /dev/sd* and then # sudo update-grub to fix things.
You can uninstall grub from all other systems, but then what happens if Manjaro fails?
So, artix is just another system for Manjaro. Artix will create a boot grub entry that throws Manjaro into the known and familiar kernel panic, where you pull the plug and restart.
Someone at that “other forum” said it was about the intel-microcode that is included into the Manjaro kernel (which I didn’t know). No wonder you only find it in AUR! Because it is already within the system and this is why Manjaro’s graphics seem so good for anyone having intel only hardware.