The new installer is here – along with new live images Obarun 11/2019

Obarun Install 2.0.2Other than the usual refinements on the 66 service management system, Obarun has radically revised the installer.  It is no longer mandatory to do partition work and mounting before you run the installer, it can be arranged from within the installer.  You can choose between EFI or bios booting, between grub and syslinux bootloader, the Desktop flavor (JWM, openbox, xfce4, KDE-plasma, or minimal no X), use arch-mirrorlist ranking for the fastest mirrors to your site, customize the installation if you want to add or not install packages (obarun, arch, and AUR).

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Are you confused about debian/antiX/MX/devuan/Refracta editions?

Debian 10 Buster became stable a few months ago, the rest of the systems had to follow but took their time.  This is done every two years and creates a wave of confusion, especially those on forked versions of Debian, like antiX, MX, devuan, refracta, etc.  Even more dangerous and confusing it is if you are using testing and although testing during debian stretch was buster it now becomes bullseye, while your antiX/MX/Devuan is testing alongside Buster still.

After antiX announced 19 (Marielle Franco) as its current stable branch, MS followed its mothership the week later (a few days ago), while Devuan/Refracta are still chasing Stretch (Debian 9), what they call Devuan 2 or ascii.

So here it is, to take the confusion away from numbers and names:

Debian         *   Debian       *  AntiX/MX   *  Devuan
the last good1 *   7   Wheezy   *    13       *  0  beta-testing
old old stable *   8   Jessie   *    15       *  1 jessie (old-stable)
old stable     *   9   Stretch  *    17       *  2 ascii (stable)
stable         *  10   Buster   *    19       *  3 beowulf(testing)
testing        *  11   Bullseye *    21       *  4 chimaera (next testing)
unstable       *       sid      *    sid      *       ceres

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obarun-install and 66 updates

obarun-install program1  Can a good thing get better, and by how much?  Wasn’t 66-info good enough, transparent enough, detailed enough?  It was. It is no more.  Gone!

2  Wasn’t the Obarun-Install software one of the attractions in Obarun, I thought, was the precision and ease of the installer.  Gone (will be in a few days)!

1 66-intree & 66-inservice
One of the most used tools in the 66 suite of software was 66-info.  66-info -T gave information about service trees, and 66-info -S gave information about a particular service, its status, its configuration, its environment, etc.  Really useful tools that we lacked in most other init and service managers.  Well, it is gone, deprecated, dead and forgotten.  BUT WHY?

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Knoppix defies the “mother-ship” and leaves systemd OUT!

Knoppix LogoIt is hard to tell from their web-site, at least if you don’t speak German and rely on the English text, that Knopper, founder or Knoppix, has made an effort from some time to provide freedom in init systems,  After getting sysvinit to work (once again on a debian based distribution) this latest version 8.6 not only does it ship without systemd and associates, it contains a conflict pkg that prevents systemd from reinstalling.  The package is called “no-systemd”.  We welcome Knoppix to the wide non-systemd community and we wish it endless popularity.

The pkg lists of comparing the last two editions 8.2 and 8.6 (and a mysterious 8.4), reveal the effort.  8.6 pkg list  8.2 pkg list

AntiX has a package called systemd-must-die which is very similar 🙂

Since it is all debian based you can seek and install both and compare.

A list of non-systemd distributions (revisited)

last revised on October 25th 2019

Inspired by, but not fully agreeing with without-systemd and their list of distributions,  we began editing our own.  Hopefully we can keep up the pace and discover new additions but we honor suggestions and contributions from others.  We also have a smaller list of 78 based on Distrowatch data and search engine with a description of each distribution and ranked by popularity.

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78 linux distributions without systemd listed on Distrowatch

Other than our complete list of distributions without systemd we run a search on Distrowatch for all “linux” distributions without systemd and we came up with a list of 78.  Sorry to BSD fans, we have nothing against BSDs we just can’t cover it all and we restrict our focus on linux systems.  There were cases in the past where information is not as accurate or up to date on distrowatch so beware of its results (as of 10/14/2018). Continue reading