You may think that we gave up and not “producing” anymore, but we haven’t. We are still at it, but we are not under this “productive” insanity pressure most others live with. If there is nothing interesting to report we will not waste your time. When we try various distributions that we either disliked or found nothing of interest, just another tried recipe with a twist of personalization, we just scrap the installation and move on. Then one day a couple of weeks ago we took on PCLinuxOS. If that says something, we are still at it, on a HD installation.
Is reddit’s r/linux just a front of IBM’s marketing agents? Under what remote logic would an announcement for a 5 year old distribution be removed and how could it possibly violate r/linux strict code of ethics?
Obarun: New for December …. upgraded yes, new not at all.
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Those are the same tactics utilized across news-sites that appear to be “objectively” promoting linux in general, forums of systemd-only distributions, social media rooms and pages. The idea is to portray linux to new users inquiring about linux while on MSwindows, MACos, Android etc. as a systemd related operating system ONLY. Continue reading
Coming up, any day now, is your new 66 package.
obcore-testing/66 0.2.4.0-5 (base s6-suite)
small tools built around s6 and s6-rc programs
obcore/66 0.2.3.2-1 (base s6-suite)
small tools built around s6 and s6-rc programsNo .zstd packaging here, just good old xz, despite of the 0,0094 second decompression advantage. 🙂
Ok, 0.2.4 over 0.2.3… brings yet one more tool to you. Still, the package (66) is only a fraction of systemd, but it has more “features”. That database of trees and services you have created, after a major reorganization of 66 and its service file definitions and syntax do not have to be destroyed and recreated, not for the root and not for the user. Simply run 66-update as root and as user after each upgrade to ensure perfect transitioning to the upgraded software. 66-update -v4 for maximum verbosity.
The next step in development will be a more automated backup and restore of your trees and services structure.
In the past 9 months 66 evolved quite a bit and after each major evolutionary step the safest way to upgrade was to destroy old trees (delete them) and recreate them and populate them with services. Not any more. But that is not all. 66-update doesn’t mean it is a one way procedure, Say you found out something is wrong, you located the bug of the century, something wrong with 66, and you want to downgrade back to the previous edition of 66. You downgrade the package and run 66-update again.
PS Now, if someone who is not banned from r/linux or r/archlinux could try and crosspost this important announcement there, to see if you can do this for a banned user like me, it would be nice to know, that I can still piss them off with my existence.
1st some history/background:
Back some time ago an alternative to sysvinit was developed called daemontools (look at sources below) and people liked it. From “it” runit was cloned, very similar but started from scratch, to be as small, as light, as simple, and as responsive as hw itself. Runit set some goals for its development, kept being refined and eliminating any bugs, it worked on as many architectures as people could get their hands on, and the chief runit man decided to put it to bed. Runit has been frozen in time by its developer. Don’t expect it to catch up with other system development unless Void decides to clone it and develop it on their own, which in some ways they already do, but it is more polishing up the existing runit.
Debian 10 Buster became stable a few months ago, the rest of the systems had to follow but took their time. This is done every two years and creates a wave of confusion, especially those on forked versions of Debian, like antiX, MX, devuan, refracta, etc. Even more dangerous and confusing it is if you are using testing and although testing during debian stretch was buster it now becomes bullseye, while your antiX/MX/Devuan is testing alongside Buster still.
After antiX announced 19 (Marielle Franco) as its current stable branch, MS followed its mothership the week later (a few days ago), while Devuan/Refracta are still chasing Stretch (Debian 9), what they call Devuan 2 or ascii.
So here it is, to take the confusion away from numbers and names:
Debian * Debian * AntiX/MX * Devuan the last good1 * 7 Wheezy * 13 * 0 beta-testing old old stable * 8 Jessie * 15 * 1 jessie (old-stable) old stable * 9 Stretch * 17 * 2 ascii (stable) stable * 10 Buster * 19 * 3 beowulf(testing) testing * 11 Bullseye * 21 * 4 chimaera (next testing) unstable * sid * sid * ceres
Rarely a good deed goes unpunished, especially when someone is trying to do something good for the benefit of the many, the weak, the poor, those who are lacking power, against all odds, the rich and powerful of every society. The story of Marielle Franco is a reminder to those who forget in whose world we live in and what it takes to change it.
So antiX 19 is code-named after the late Marielle Franco who dared to turn against wealth and power.
It is hard to tell from their web-site, at least if you don’t speak German and rely on the English text, that Knopper, founder or Knoppix, has made an effort from some time to provide freedom in init systems, After getting sysvinit to work (once again on a debian based distribution) this latest version 8.6 not only does it ship without systemd and associates, it contains a conflict pkg that prevents systemd from reinstalling. The package is called “no-systemd”. We welcome Knoppix to the wide non-systemd community and we wish it endless popularity.
AntiX has a package called systemd-must-die which is very similar 🙂
Since it is all debian based you can seek and install both and compare.
Aug 29th 2020
Our current list of linux distributions without systemd is now here
For those who have never heard the name of the distribution and have not researched the late and current differences of init systems and service management and supervision, this may be a shock and major news. For those who have really done their research, they have gone beyond the pop-ular polarization and fallacy of “systemd vs sysvinit” , there is nothing new here to read … Continue reading
. . . . . A 66 FAQ document
Is 66 different than s6 or an alternative to it?
NO! 66 is a layer of software on top of s6 that makes s6 easier and more understandable to users with little or no experience in unix-system-administration. 66 takes bundles of complicated s6 commands and scripts and simplifies them into 66 commands that help you customize and optimize your system just the way you need. Experienced enterprise lever administrators are not limited by 66 in any way, it only makes monitoring their systems easier and quicker.
Since we have published here a few conversion proposals from Arch-based distros to Obarun (replacing systemd with S6) for a few more months they will still be valid, but Obarun has switched to a new more comple repository structure AND service management. The difference is that beyond the s6 init system the service management is handled by a set of new tools called 66. If you want to make the switch you must follow the instructions below. There is also a new package you may want installed called obnews, and when essential system administration tasks are necessary the news piece will come at the end of the pacman -Suy update/upgrade procedure. Currently it notifies sys-admins of the new repositories and of this conversion.