Palemoon enforces scripts even harder now points to this discussion on its forum about noscript if you try to install noscript from its source page.  Although palemoon, as far as we know, has provided 0 evidence to classify noscript as malware, in the discussion itself that they are promoting as “reason”, their claim is “just a warning“, and that you are free to choose otherwise.  NOT TRUE ANYMORE  The matter that noscript breaks pages is really no reason as people “choose” to break such pages to protect themselves.  Furthermore palemoon has locked and ended this discussion on their forum but on the new edition 28.2 has gone out of its way to block functionality of the addon even if someone forcibly tried to install.  Which means their claims in the above mentioned discussion are contradicting their actions.  If this is not a violation of freedom (as in free software) in principle, what is?  It is also an indication how responsible the palemoon team is with their own claims and statements.  If noscript was previously installed and the configuration exists in your home ~/.moonchild_productions it may (but not always) function, or partially function without the ability to allow/deny scripts.

Let us be clear, we have no intension to certify that noscript is absolutely clean, we are in no position in making such claim for any open and/or free software, but when someone claims someone else’s software as malware and blocks it, better be able to demonstrate specific findings and evidence.  Palemoon has provided nothing, other than insulting someone else’s work.  In this fashion, and we believe more justifiably so, we claim that palemoon is malware for preventing users  of protecting themselves with noscript.  The wonderful parody FigOSdev wrote about “noscript users be aware of the palemoon malware” is even more serious now than it was thought before.

Do we have a recommendation for an alternative?  Yes, waterfox has been doing a great job being fully functional and acting like firefox of the past, only lighter.  In some occasions waterfox may require a little more ram than palemoon. There is also Falkon, a KDE browser utilizing Qt5 libraries, if you can tolerate them, but other than it is a full browser and very functional, we have little day to day experience with it since its announcement.  It certainly is a vast improvement over Qupzilla of yesterdays.

WHY are we, an anti-systemd site, paying such attention to an “unrelated” matter?

Because we believe this is a byproduct of this shift in paradigm, a new culture in open and free software, brought to you by systemd, redhat, debian, and since they got away and were widely accepted for being nasty and not playing fair, others can follow their example.  Expect this trend to continue and spread, software publishers blocking others’ work unnecessarily and enforcing their choices on users on what to do with “other” software.  This is free (as in 0 dollars) software against freedom, that is what it is.  It is one programmer dictating to the user what other software to use.

This culture is commercially inspired and corroding the foundations of open and free philosophy.  It is inflicting on the developer to user relation built on trust.  It needs to be openly boycotted and expelled, despite of convenience and individualistic preferences.  It is the trojan horse that eventually will bring collapse to all free and all open software.  Then, the main actors, the perpetrators of the trend, will be “free” to make more money.  The logic “if you don’t like it go shop elsewhere” is against the ideal of free.  It is like saying if you want to “buy” bread you must also buy coke, no water for you bread eaters.

Who is to say that palemoon did not ask noscript for a piece of their donation income providing data “palemoon” collects of how many users use the noscript addon, and if noscript refused they were banned.  Just think of how likely is it that someone using palemoon instead of firefox to be also wanting to control what scripts are run on their system.   They are not the explorer kind of browser user, are they?  The alternatives palemoon provides to noscript as simple jokes in functionality and their source is very questionable.  Never mind the deduction of “who” might be that doesn’t want widespread use of “noscript” that has influence on “palemoon”.

Enough!!!   ???

Never.  Keep fighting with all the little freedom you have left to fight for freedom or it will be taken away, for sure.  Your freedom is costing someone wealth and power.  Ultimate power and ultimate wealth comes in taking it away from those that have it, the very little that has been left for us.  Till they shut us down we will keep provoking, insulting, and fighting for what we believe is fair, towards true equality and true freedom.  The discussion is open for any defenders of palemoon to show us and every reader how wrong have we been.  We would actually like this and expect it.  Nobody should have a final word on anything.

7 thoughts on “Palemoon enforces scripts even harder now

  1. Wait until you learn what Tobin thinks of TOR users… Both Palemoon and Basilisk are in my list of boycotted software. I’m currently using Waterfox and Tor Browser on Artix. And yes, I live in a country where the government uses deep packet inspection to censor websites, often breaking “uncensored” traffic as well.


  2. It is hard to think of tor away from their close relationship with mozilla, and you can’t think of tor without their relationship with tails. Why would anyone with such a commitment to security and anonymity develop a system as tails based strictly on a systemd system and a desktop that is very tied to it (MATE), instead of xfce or lxde. (believe me I have cloned tails and tried to get it running with devuan or antix, it is between hard to impossible to make it work, and I wouldn’t do it once a month). The security community has granted systemd the award of being a top security threat. Even if it wasn’t intentional there are so many ways systemd can leak identifiers that nobody would know where to start with. Just think of how many places it introduces and enforces unique identities.
    In some distributions if you alter the init system tor will not function, even AUR packagers in Arch package it in such a way that you have to modify the pkgbuilt to install it, without systemd. Yes the standalone installation works everywhere, still.
    How does tor get to the first node? And how easy is it for the isp to identify who makes a connection to it? Even opennic dns servers can’t be ultimately trusted or it is so easy to just track the connections made to those servers. Only a handful still exist. So by using it you have drawn attention to yourself. It can only be “safely” used in public wifi where you can “hardly” be identified. So you can’t really rely on what has been for long been portrayed as safe. Torproject is hiring, they have money, they tour a lot, and meet colaborators worldwide, on a personal physical basis. They have made it hard for people commenting anonymously on their blog posts. Recently I think you need to enable scripts to comment on their blog. Is this funny, they package noscript by default on their browser but you have to disable it to comment on their blog?
    Tails has totally blocked any such communication. To communicate with them in a one to one basis means nothing, as if someone wants to publicize a problem with it, they can choose not to broadcast such issue. We only know of issues they choose to broadcast as problems.

    What ever happened to bitmask? If it was so good how come tor can have such substantial budgets from donations and bitmask remained obscure?

    Many questions my friend, and although I don’t have the capacity or ability to provide evidence for what I fear, the questions remain open. One of the reasons I distanced myself from the Devuan project was trust. They introduced onion repositories and their repositories under the onion address didn’t always sync with the regular repositories. It was only after blocking and moderating on their forum and list that someone revealed more information. Part of it was that their system identified, was able to, screen tor and no tor connections and “forwarded” them to the “appropriate” server. Now this becomes more complex as a big part of their repository is debian’s repository, and onion connections were been forwarded to the debian’s onion address. Torproject has warned for years that a bug exists and it is unknown how to be dealt with. You go from one onion address out in the open, and back to another onion address and your address can be revealed. But for Devuan to be able to screen repository connections from onion and non-onion users was problematic to begin with. My proposed solution was to use tor+ transport but use devuan addresses. They said you shouldn’t do that! Why? Because they can’t screen you anymore? Goodbye! On Antix at least they have their own repositories separated from debian’s. And you can do the same with devuan if you like, but once trust has been breached it is needless to pursue any solution.

    Furthermore my friend, what country is there where “traffic” is not monitored and tampered with? If it is not done by the local state agency it is passed as a right for overseas agencies to do the monitoring for them and alert them when they deem necessary. Their wires/cables, their satellites, their prerogative to study us like laboratory rats “trying to escape the cage”.

    Palemoon became very popular among unix/linux/bsd users. Measures had to be used to be able to close the “circle”.

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  3. I use Palemoon, find it works well, and have found no reasonable alternative. Is there anything else that runs Pentadactyl? Or almost 100,000 other old plugins (literally; they can be installed using Classic Extensions Archive; the archive is hosted by Waterfox and the plugin is promoted by Palemoon (Extensions/Other on their site).

    Pentadactly is a piece of software I wouldn’t do without; that alone decides the browser for me. There is no substitute, and none on the horizon that I know of. I tried clawing at Tridactyl, but didn’t like it, QuteBrowser neither. As far as I could learn, neither does the things I need, like display and search a list of buffers (“tabs”). (I usually have hundreds of tabs open. Am I the only one? No, I know others who do this.) And both have command structures radically different from Pentadactly. Let’s say I made a new “vim-like text editor” but most of the commands you’re used to using, don’t work, or end up doing completely different things. Would you go for it?

    I keep hearing horror about things the Palemoon devs did, so why doesn’t anyone make patches or fork Palemoon, or make their own fork of old Firefox? Until that happens, or until Pentadactly gets a new life, my choices appear pretty narrow. From my perspective, there are no perfect applications nor sainted developers. I am grateful when a few seem good enough.


  4. I don’t blame you, I feel the same way about NoScript, and then what? Links?
    I rarely use the mouse once I learn the shortcut for the mouse’ function, but never used this add-on myself. It seems the last edition is Jan2017, more than 2 years ago, but this means nothing to me. Openbox is older than that and has had 0 bugs and 0 security issued. Some distromanagers will drop things just on the basis of “being unmaintained”, which to them is fixing things that aren’t broke.

    I switched to waterfox but I see an expiration date when they move to the crappy new FF that I dislike. I really felt bad about PM but what they did with NoScript was unbelievably crappy. The way they dealt with the issue means it is not worth my time and effort to even review what they do. They are done!


  5. Have to admit I know what you mean about PM, seems like a nanny-state attitude, reminds me of something… Oh yeah, Firefox!
    But as far I can tell, NoScript is working ok in PM 28.4.1. I installed it with Classic Extensions. I did have to open Addons and enable it (after reading a stern warning), but it seems ok. I’m not an expert though, haven’t used NS in years, almost forgot about it. What should I look for, in terms of blocked functionality?


  6. The oligopoly scheme of systemd is building around the polarization of chrome/firefox. Between Dillo or Midori and the “full” browsers the gap is widening and there are fewer real alternatives.
    You think I am an unhappy with PM but I have a better choice? All those mozilla clones are just cheaper prostitutes of the master whore (Firefox). Whatever corporate “intraweb” throws they will bend over and catch it.
    Care to look at Waterfox (Alpha)? You would immidiately ask if I am going to get this I might as well get the true Firefox.

    Waterfox new infested website and news about an alpha branch. (Screw waterfox and its disqus!!!!)

    With Palemoon I couldn’t care less about “technicalities”, it was the attitude that drove me away. The last thing I care to do is to get into their little “communities” and forums and justify their little peculiarities and idiosyncrasies.

    I hope the day that no corporate junk will be on the internet and it will all be html, which is plenty good enough to share information, images, videos, audio without all the spying-ware they load commercial sites with.

    Falkon, Qt-crap, is just as bad. Ever since systemd made an appearance this model of corporate universal platforms squeezing in between the core system and “desktop”, forming a choking layer for performance and “mysteriously” sharing system information with their web-counterparts is growing like a disease. What do developers do? Marketing, what is popular, where is the herd of users gathering at, this is where they want to be and set up their shop.

    Development to me is becoming synonymous to disappointment. First it was a Microsoft culture transferring to linux, now we get an android influence into software development. From open and free culture it is gradually transforming into a market of what sells. Linux has become a second fiddle, the cream of software development is heading into android stores, we get the barebones free version of stuff. We may not know it yet, but it is happening. The average age of software developers now may be 10 years older than it was “10 years ago”.

    Show me where there is solid ground and I will stand on. Show me who is dedicated to specific values and principles and appear committed to them and I will turn my sight to them.

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  7. Does UXP Iceweasel, used by Hyperbola, permit for noscript, pentadactyl, et al.?


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